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wc12345678
456 Posts |
 Posted - 09/06/2005 : 21:34:09
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The auto draft system first selects the highest-rated available player (based on your pre-rankings) that can fill one of the open positions on your roster. A position is open if:
1. You have not yet filled the starter quantity for the position.
The required starter quantities are as follows:
Position
Quantity
QB
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WR
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RB
2
TE
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K
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Team
1
2. You have met the starter quantity requirement, but there is still room to add that position as a reserve.
If another team has already chosen your highest ranked player, or if the position on your roster has already been completely filled, the auto-draft system will move down your pre-rankings until it finds an eligible player.
The draft will continue until all roster positions are filled, therefore there are 15 rounds in the draft. |
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wc12345678
456 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2005 : 21:37:14
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According to the rules, if I did not do anything to my auto draft order, I would be getting :
1 of the top 12 rated QBs, 2 of the top 24 rated RBs, 2 of the top 24 rated WRs, 1 of the top 12 rated TEs, 1 of the top 12 rated DEF, and 1 of the top 12 rated Ks
This is because each team would need to fill their roster BEFORE they can take anyone on their bench. However, obviously, this did not happen. I ended up with Rex Grossman as my QB when another team had a bench full of QBs. Rex Grossman was definetly not one of the top 12 rated QBs. I called Etopps and they told me to email the DISPUTE FORUM. However, I can not find the DISPUTE FORUM. This is rediculous. Does anyone know where the DISPUTE FORUM is? |
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no10pin
7156 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2005 : 21:44:47
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| I agree that it's a terrible system, but it actually did work the way it's laid out. It does not say anywhere on there that you have to fill your starters before you start picking reserves. It says it takes your highest pick and puts them in an open slot, which is defined EITHER as a starter, or an open bench spot. It's a horrible way to draft as everyone can see by the results, but it did what it said it would. |
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gaeapez
4205 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2005 : 21:59:14
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| This is what happened last year, and since everyone has an issue, astute trading is necessary. I have Culpepper, Favre, Hasselback, and Plummer as my QB's. Obviously, others have QB problems, and I will be getting some top players in return in trades. |
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MTSpeedRacerVT
Kazakhstan
8674 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2005 : 22:15:35
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The system worked as advertised... it's the small print that kills you! I got all my starters filled (of course my QB is Jeff Garcia). So eTopps did their part. Could it have been done better/more fairly? Most certainly. Do I enjoy having 6 RBs? Hell no! I partly blame myself for not putting my rankings in better order, but I think filling the starters BEFORE bench would have been a better thought...
...on the flip side how annoyed would you be if you had the chance to pick up Warrick Dunn as your 3rd back, but instead you get Steve McNair as your starting QB? Live draft is obviously the best resolution, but that's NEVER gonna happen...So I guess eTopps is just doing the best with what they have *shrug* |
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netjr
16750 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 00:48:02
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Year 2; improvements are outweighed by errors; and they'll go back and say fantasy does not work for etopps. SAD;
If there is a year three it MUST;
1) Live Draft
2) On time
3) Depth chart limits (3 extra WRs, 2 QBs, 2 RBs, etc etc)
In other words contract it to ESPN who can get it right. |
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jjanoch
1914 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 07:57:36
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| I state right now that I will not participate without some or all of those things implimented for year 3 |
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dmoreland
1963 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 10:48:07
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| The draft worked exactly as it should. If you got a crappy team you got no one but yourself to blame. It's all about how you rank the players. Don't blame it on etopps. There certainly are some problems with the game but how they ran the autodraft isn't one of them. |
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williegeez2
829 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 10:59:07
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| First they set the leagues later than advertised; next they didn't give the window for making ranking changes before the draft; then they reset the date they were going to draft on the premise that they were letting more people in (that they never did); finally they arbitrarily redid all the leagues and rankings before they advertised, again with no window of opportunity for changing rankings. Happy or not with your team, it would seem foolish to defend Etopps on this comedy of errors. |
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budly
2754 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 11:19:38
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| I know I would REALLY like to see the entire draft results. Has anyone found a way to do this? |
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mizerock
USA
4254 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 11:46:18
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| I looked at the wrong game & thought I had until tomorrow at noon to join this. From the sound of it, I saved $25 by not being able to join now! |
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williegeez2
829 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 12:01:56
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Yeah, that's the $5 game that closes tomorrow. This one frustrated me enough that I joined that one a second time, just on the premise that it's entirely under my control, so I can yell at myself when things go south.  |
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no10pin
7156 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 12:10:10
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Originally posted by dmoreland
The draft worked exactly as it should. If you got a crappy team you got no one but yourself to blame. It's all about how you rank the players. Don't blame it on etopps. There certainly are some problems with the game but how they ran the autodraft isn't one of them.
The draft did work exactly as it was laid out, but how can you say someone with 5 TEs or 9 RBs and no other bench players has no one to blame but himself? There was no way to limit the number taken at one position, so how can you control it when it gets into the 9th-10th rounds? You could control your starters pretty easily, and I'm happy with those. My bench, not so much. |
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burlsink1
50 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:29:44
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You could limit the number at 1 position if you changed the rankings, there were 180 players taken in the draft. I put 12 kickers, 24 teams and 12 TEs at the end of my 180 player rankings. I only got 1 K, 1 TE, and 2 Teams and a pretty good selection of other players. I also put 24 RB at the beginning to get 2 RBs first, than 20 or so QBs to get a decent QB and than the WRs and a mix of players up to 132. My other team I didn't do so much editing and ended up with 6 QBs, I should have planned that one better. My fault for not taking the time. I did a mock draft using the default ranks and didn't really like the results, that's why I tweaked so much to make sure I got the positions I wanted. I ended up with
Janikowski, Sebastian K
McNair, Steve QB
Jones, Kevin RB
Tomlinson, Ladainian RB
Alexander, Stephen TE
Patriots, New England Team
Bruce, Isaac WR
Galloway, Joey WR
Colts, Indianapolis Team
Dunn, Warrick RB
Roethlisberger, Ben QB
Taylor, Fred RB
Warner, Kurt QB
Westbrook, Brian RB
Johnson, Chad WR (Traded for)
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MTSpeedRacerVT
Kazakhstan
8674 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:32:53
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Originally posted by burlsink1
You could limit the number at 1 position if you changed the rankings, there were 180 players taken in the draft. I put 12 kickers, 24 teams and 12 TEs at the end of my 180 player rankings. I only got 1 K, 1 TE, and 2 Teams and a pretty good selection of other players. I also put 24 RB at the beginning to get 2 RBs first, than 20 or so QBs to get a decent QB and than the WRs and a mix of players up to 132. My other team I didn't do so much editing and ended up with 6 QBs, I should have planned that one better. My fault for not taking the time. I did a mock draft using the default ranks and didn't really like the results, that's why I tweaked so much to make sure I got the positions I wanted. I ended up with
Janikowski, Sebastian K
McNair, Steve QB
Jones, Kevin RB
Tomlinson, Ladainian RB
Alexander, Stephen TE
Patriots, New England Team
Bruce, Isaac WR
Galloway, Joey WR
Colts, Indianapolis Team
Dunn, Warrick RB
Roethlisberger, Ben QB
Taylor, Fred RB
Warner, Kurt QB
Westbrook, Brian RB
Johnson, Chad WR (Traded for)
Glad I'm not in the same league as you...that's an amazing team |
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jjanoch
1914 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:40:36
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Originally posted by dmoreland
The draft worked exactly as it should. If you got a crappy team you got no one but yourself to blame. It's all about how you rank the players. Don't blame it on etopps. There certainly are some problems with the game but how they ran the autodraft isn't one of them.
dude I understand that you got a good team (in your opinion)...but please understand that there was a large portion of LUCK involved in that team you got. So quit patting yourself on the back, thinking that "you're all that" when it comes to Auto-Drafting.
Any system which allows teams to draft 4-9 players who are not RB's or WR's is a busted system. What is so hard about that for you to understand. So yes it is eTopps fault, as they are responsible for the system.
I understand the "big secret" to your draft list....you put TE's & QB's pretty far down your list, and you listed K's & Def's probably at the very end of it. My guess is that your team might not have anymore than 1 kicker of defense (which you think is fine) and a TE who is probably not among the top 10 (unless he's a sleeper on some list) and the same goes for a QB.
If a owner actually wanted a shot at say the top 5 QB's or TE's...they had to rank them much higher than you...and with the crappy A-D then ran a high probability of getting more than 1.
It is not an "working" system if it only cateers to people who post a drafting list like you did. A quality program will allow for some flexibility to allow people to target the Top 3 TE's or QB's...without actually drafting all three of them because you listed them so high. |
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no10pin
7156 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:46:18
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Originally posted by jjanoch
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Originally posted by dmoreland
The draft worked exactly as it should. If you got a crappy team you got no one but yourself to blame. It's all about how you rank the players. Don't blame it on etopps. There certainly are some problems with the game but how they ran the autodraft isn't one of them.
dude I understand that you got a good team (in your opinion)...but please understand that there was a large portion of LUCK involved in that team you got. So quit patting yourself on the back, thinking that "you're all that" when it comes to Auto-Drafting.
Any system which allows teams to draft 4-9 players who are not RB's or WR's is a busted system. What is so hard about that for you to understand. So yes it is eTopps fault, as they are responsible for the system.
I understand the "big secret" to your draft list....you put TE's & QB's pretty far down your list, and you listed K's & Def's probably at the very end of it. My guess is that your team might not have anymore than 1 kicker of defense (which you think is fine) and a TE who is probably not among the top 10 (unless he's a sleeper on some list) and the same goes for a QB.
If a owner actually wanted a shot at say the top 5 QB's or TE's...they had to rank them much higher than you...and with the crappy A-D then ran a high probability of getting more than 1.
It is not an "working" system if it only cateers to people who post a drafting list like you did. A quality program will allow for some flexibility to allow people to target the Top 3 TE's or QB's...without actually drafting all three of them because you listed them so high.
That was my point too, there needs to be more control than just a single list ranking of players. Dmoreland is in my league and has a very good team, but there was luck involved. One guy decided he wanted one of the big TEs, so he ranked them higher, and he wound up with Gates, Gonzalez AND Witten. You should be able to rank those three guys up on your list without running the risk of getting all of them. I did pretty much the exact same thing that burlsink did, and I wound up with 7 RBs and no backup QB. I'm not stupid, I do 4 or 5 real drafts every year, so I know how to rank players. You can't win this thing without a good bench, and I am at the mercy of the waiver wire and trades because of the randomness of the draft. I won't be spending $25 to do this next year unless they vastly improve the process. |
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dmoreland
1963 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:46:41
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The draft did work exactly as it was laid out, but how can you say someone with 5 TEs or 9 RBs and no other bench players has no one to blame but himself? There was no way to limit the number taken at one position, so how can you control it when it gets into the 9th-10th rounds? You could control your starters pretty easily, and I'm happy with those. My bench, not so much.
Pretty much what Burlsink just laid out. If you don't want 5 te's then don't put 5 te's in the top 180 players. 9 RB's wouldn't be a problem if all nine are good. Thing is, you won't get 9 good rb's unless your league is brain dead. If you got a bunch of scrub rb's then it's your fault for not dropping them to the bottom of the draft list. I dropped all the kickers, te's and D's except Baltimore to the bottom of the draft list. I'd rather have scrubs at these positions then have the problems your talking about. After that, I dropped all players that I did not want to see show up on my roster to the bottom thus moving up the kickers, D's and TE's up a bit. I didn't end up with a bunch of worthless players because I had moved them all to the bottom of the rankings.
I actually enjoy doing an autodraft because it takes some skills to set up your rankings. Do it right and you end up with a good team. |
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no10pin
7156 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:50:00
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Originally posted by dmoreland
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The draft did work exactly as it was laid out, but how can you say someone with 5 TEs or 9 RBs and no other bench players has no one to blame but himself? There was no way to limit the number taken at one position, so how can you control it when it gets into the 9th-10th rounds? You could control your starters pretty easily, and I'm happy with those. My bench, not so much.
Pretty much what Burlsink just laid out. If you don't want 5 te's then don't put 5 te's in the top 180 players. 9 RB's wouldn't be a problem if all nine are good. Thing is, you won't get 9 good rb's unless your league is brain dead. If you got a bunch of scrub rb's then it's your fault for not dropping them to the bottom of the draft list. I dropped all the kickers, te's and D's except Baltimore to the bottom of the draft list. I'd rather have scrubs at these positions then have the problems your talking about. After that, I dropped all players that I did not want to see show up on my roster to the bottom thus moving up the kickers, D's and TE's up a bit. I didn't end up with a bunch of worthless players because I had moved them all to the bottom of the rankings.
I actually enjoy doing an autodraft because it takes some skills to set up your rankings. Do it right and you end up with a good team.
Like I said, I pretty much did the same thing. My issue is not with my starters, it's with the players taken in the 100-200 category. I put a bunch of RBs at the top and got two of those. I did NOT have them bunched up in the middle and the bottom, and I got 5 more. It just so happened that by the time it was my pick, a RB was the next on my list. That is pure luck of the draw. |
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cranky
43 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:56:34
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| I ended up with up a great team myself, but that still doesn't mean that this inane auto-draft system was good by any stretch of the imagination. Those of us who ended up with decent teams are LUCKY!!! No two ways about it. Quit fooling yourself into thinking you are some master ranker because you got a good team. It is 80% luck that you got a good team. Next year etopps will HAVE to completely redesign this stupid drafting system if they plan to have any repeat customers. |
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dmoreland
1963 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 13:58:37
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jjanoch-Bulger is a consensus top 5 qb and I think he ends up top three so that is who I targeted for my qb. Got him. I think with this scoring system a good D is much more important than a good TE. I think Baltimore ends up as the #1 D so I targeted them and got em. What I did do is drop the other players at these positions pretty far down the list so that I didn't end up with to many players at the posisition I would hopefully be strong in. I think if you wanted a strong TE, the way to go would be to pick one, rank them high enough to make sure you get them and drop the others down the list.
Yes there is luck involved in all aspects of fantasy sports. The key is to manage the luck. I have what I think is a good team but all it takes is a couple of injuries and you're screwed. Last year I was at the top of my league all year until Priest and TO got hurt. I ended up losing in the last week of the year. So it goes. |
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dmoreland
1963 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 14:13:38
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| no10pin-I think I see which team is yours. I just offered you a trade of Bledsoe for Faulk. My motivation is to get the back up for my #1 pick and you need another qb. Bulger doesn't bye until week 9 so I'll worry about picking up some one week fill in scrub sometime before then. Let me know what you think. |
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cranky
43 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 14:14:41
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Originally posted by dmoreland
jjanoch-Bulger is a consensus top 5 qb and I think he ends up top three so that is who I targeted for my qb. Got him. I think with this scoring system a good D is much more important than a good TE. I think Baltimore ends up as the #1 D so I targeted them and got em. What I did do is drop the other players at these positions pretty far down the list so that I didn't end up with to many players at the posisition I would hopefully be strong in. I think if you wanted a strong TE, the way to go would be to pick one, rank them high enough to make sure you get them and drop the others down the list.
Yes there is luck involved in all aspects of fantasy sports. The key is to manage the luck. I have what I think is a good team but all it takes is a couple of injuries and you're screwed. Last year I was at the top of my league all year until Priest and TO got hurt. I ended up losing in the last week of the year. So it goes.
Yeah, last year T.O's injury knocked me out #1 spot as well. So it goes??? Great novel. I am a huge fan of "Slaughterhouse 5" myself |
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msu_marc
USA
235 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 14:18:56
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The draft went better for some than for others, obviously. One team in my league has 9 RB's. One team has 4 defenses. One team has 6 QB's. I'm in 2 leagues and Buckhalter was drafted in both leagues but Grossman was drafted in neither.
I used the exact same pre-rankings in both leagues. In one league I ended up with 1 kicker - Janikowski. In the other league, I ended up with the top 3 kickers on most cheat sheets. In one league, I got 3 TE's while in the other, I got 1. Go figure.
I guess my point is, you needed to do quite a bit of work on the rankings or you ended up getting screwed. You may even have gotten screwed, albeit less screwed, if you did do work on the rankings. We all knew this going in.
Yes, it could be better and would be with a live draft. Yes, I wish they had an option to say how many players you want at each position. Yes, the waiver wire should be open now so people can drop Buckhalter and Grossman.
But, it's fantasy football which is always fun. If you paid to get into these leagues, do the best you can to improve your team and enjoy the season. |
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no10pin
7156 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 14:23:15
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Originally posted by dmoreland
no10pin-I think I see which team is yours. I just offered you a trade of Bledsoe for Faulk. My motivation is to get the back up for my #1 pick and you need another qb. Bulger doesn't bye until week 9 so I'll worry about picking up some one week fill in scrub sometime before then. Let me know what you think.
I don't have Faulk, I have McAllister, Dillon, Fred Taylor (who I just traded), Larry Johnson, Derrick Blaylock and Travis Henry. I also have Buckhalter who I'm pretty sure I moved to the end of my list. |
Edited by - no10pin on 09/07/2005 14:29:20 |
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dmoreland
1963 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2005 : 15:35:00
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Oops. I guess there are two teams in our league with 7 rb's and no back up qb.
The guy with all the te's just offered me Witten for Steven Jackson. What an insult. I really hate it when people make rediculous offers like that. Dude is either a jerk or an idiot. I would hope that if someone actually was stupid enough to accept a lopsided trade like that, etopps would step in and void the trade. Nothing ruins a league faster than bunk trades. |
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